Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

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Bodhisattva Tara (Dolma)
We are told that long ago there was a Princess named Tara who was very devout. One day, a monk who did not believe that women could attain Enlightenment, told her that she should pray to be born in a male body in her next life in order to become Enlightened, and thus able to benefit others. Instead, she vowed to attain Enlightenment as a woman in that very life and thenceforth prayed to always be reborn as a woman.

Thus Tara has become a symbol of the fact that any woman can become Enlightened. She represents "Enlightened Womanhood", and stands as a female "Prophet" or "Saviour" among men like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, and so many others. Tara is represented in various forms but most commonly she is white or green in color. Although acknowledged to have been an actual living female saint, she has also evolved into something of a "Goddess of Mercy", and her worship is very popular throughout the east, in Nepal, Tibet, China and Japan.

The Twenty-one forms of Tara is a set of icons, each representing Tara, in reference to an aspect of female Buddhahood and protecting against a specific type of suffering. These remind us of the fact that there have been and have been and continue to be innumerable women Buddhas throughout history and all over the world..
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    Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

    Sun, March 4, 2007 - 6:10 AM
    " she vowed to attain Enlightenment as a woman in that very life and thenceforth prayed to always be reborn as a woman. "

    It is beautiful story.....

    I would love to see more and more compassion between man and woman in this tribe, tribe.net
    and everywhere.

    for benefit of all !

    Marina
    • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

      Sun, March 4, 2007 - 12:37 PM
      In the interest of clarity, and not wanting to diminish the words written,... the story given.... the whole truth is more complex... yet much in this spirit in which it is told.

      Tara is the feminine aspect of Amitabha Buddha, who emanated in response to a call for help from the Creator God of this universe, who is known as Brahma, and as Amoghasiddhi Buddha in his capacity as a Buddha.... as we all have that capacity,... though much unrealized.

      Tara reincarnated in ancient Lemuria, actually, at the time of Atlantis. She was the daughter of a female form of Lokesvara,... who lived in a Beautific Garden setting in what is now the area of Sri Lanka. Tara became the lover of a male reincarnation of Shiva, who lived in a beautifully ornate pyramidic structure, only abot 40 feet high. They had a son who it was foreseen by Tara would reincarnate as the one we ....now call Babaji Nagaraj.... and be available to help in the Kali Age, as it was also foreseen that many difficult times and trouble-filled lives would have to be lived to fully Evolve through the Many Lessons (through terrible obstacles) the Kali Yuga represented.

      Tara's lover was the one who would have numerous Great Roles to play on Terra (as Earth was called before the Kali Yuga.... which is a shorter cycle Yuga in our local Cosmos than it is in its longer version, which is a far older cyclical template) Horus was the name of the man whom was Tara's lover, and he went on to become the Egyptian Deity who lived in the Great Pyramid for many ages. The same spirit as Horus left the Great Pyramid at the end of the Egyptian Epoch of Power, and went outside of time... back through time, to reincarnate into being both Solomon the Wise, and Siddhartha, the historic bringer of the Dharma teachings (his version) to our world.

      Tara was able to Ascend out of her physical body at a fairly young age.... translating her physical form into an Ascended body of light by the focus of tantric energies.

      She worked as an ascended master, over Atlantis, trying to prevent the template of its Demise from coming into full manifestation.... yet the Abuses of Free-Will and the Deafness of its leaders to her spirited guidances offered...... resulted in the sinking of the landmass (that was foreseen as very likely), as malevolent manipulations of earth energies by the Atlanteans (towards such people as the Lemurians) liquified the mantle under their own feet.

      After this Traumatic Event, which still marks the subconscious psyches of many reincarnated Atlanteans present in large numbers here in this modern age,... Tara was joined there in the higher dimensions of spirit by Longtime (beyond time) companion Avalokiteshvara,... and they saw the need to bring Buddism to Tibet. This is a long story in itself. Briefly, Avalokiteshvara transformed her into the Bodhisattva Tara, and together they had work and adventures as Bodhisattvas that would fill a book.

      When all this was far along in its progression, it was seen that there was more evolutionary work for the multidimensional spirit of Tara. The Creator God had (originally) taken the Emanation from Amitabha Buddha and with a kind of spiritual Prism... split the energies of consciousness into basic forms,... both male and female. The male energies had come through various spiritual-mutidimensional pathways into this universe-creation outside of space-time as we know it.... setting up lifetime potentialities within the time-space matrix that required a spiritual presence to 'make real'. Lives.......( that the Essence of Tara,... the dark energy beyond her light body.)... needed to somehow enter to fulfill the evolutionary transformations that were needed of the male energies as well.

      This was a spiritual Enigma for Tara. Tara Loved Being Female......... sha had declared that she would not seek Enlightenment in a Male Body..... because most of the Buddhas were Male, and her own Higher Self (Amitabha Buddha) was Already in Sukhyavati.... not in need of a Re-Infusion of Ascension-Enlightenment. So,... with Great Reluctance,... but with firm resolve..... it was seen that she would need to "let go" of her Bodhisattva Light Body..... turning it over to the Care of Avalokiteshvara and his female form Quan Yin. Tara stated that her basic Tara body was not to be "dropped",... as usually this is what happens when an Ascended Being chooses to re-incarnate for the sake of spiritual evolution of self and to help other spirits.

      Tara told Avalokiteshvara/Quan Yin that her 21 forms .....{Light Bodies that the 'dark essence' (dark energies, but not negative) of ascended beings can "take upon themselves".....rather like a Light Garment ...... that exist outside of space-time} .... she said her 21 forms would be available for use by the spirit of Quan Yin/Avalokieshvara .....who was/is free also to use these Light Garments of Being/Consciousness to help Aspiring Spirits with well-evolved female essences to EXPERIENCE! for themselves the JOY of Bodhisattvahood.... as many spirits would Benefit! from this.

      So it is that we have more than a few reincarnate beings, entirely differing souls (not parallel manifestations of a singular spirit) on Terra that have an 'awareness' of ""being" ...of 'having been'...'of Tara'.

      This can be confusing..... an unintended consequence... which, mercifully, thusfar has not resulted in disharmonious conflict of any sort... which would be totally Contrary to the Bodhisattva Spirit. This needs to come to light in these end times.... why?.... Because Ultimately Each of us has to 'come to grips' with our Own Buddhanature............. to fully recall if we were given an opportunity to be "queen for a day" in the Bodhi-realm... to understand this dynamic. Also to move into full personal awarenesses of each of our own Deep spiritual Histories... which will reveal more fully who we are, and what our purposes are in this present life.

      Tara, (as a female spirit energy essence) exists outside of space-time.... and also within space-time in more 'temporally-engaged' light bodies..... as Amitabha has manifested Multiple Incarnations Simultaneously.... and so has done so...... yet there remains an underlying Singularity of consciousness that weaves through the space-time pathways that co-exist.

      Tara-Amitabha Female-Male..... forms of the same consciousness. The spirit behind Tara can be reborn in a male form.... but it is the Ascended Feminine Essence of Tara that remains as a Bodhisattva, as the Male Essence remains both in Sukyavati, and struggling, {in a mix of the female&male in a physical body}, with the problems of the Kali Age here on Terra.

      For those gifted with the ability to discern the truth behind this explanation, you are surely in-touch with your own Buddhahood, very likely, .....and a friend to me.
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        Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

        Tue, March 6, 2007 - 10:06 PM
        well Leslie I got the story off the kagyu official site of female sidhas
        I do beleive they do contain the correct information


        www.tilokpur.org/kdtl6.html
        • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

          Tue, March 6, 2007 - 11:17 PM
          Some of their information is accurate and some of it is virtually a mythologized version of the truth. It isn't my intention to directly challenge the authenticity of written works, especially with those who have placed their faith in them. I do offer a first hand account, which is not out of line with the teachings that Buddhas do reincarnate as ordinary people.... though not entirely.... meaning Amitabha is my Higher Self, and remains in Sukhyavati. There are mutiple manifestations of Amitabha spread through space and time, both male and female, some simultaneously in the same time-space as the present. I am among these, and the singular I Am presence that I possess was/is of the essence of Tara and Amitabha, and my recollection of the full history of the evolution of this being is fairly continuous and thorough.... (but for some yet unrecalled gaps). Not only is my factual knowledge of Tara quite thorough, ...my heart energies are deeply involved yet in the drama of her being. There has been considerable suffering that was/is endured, along with the Joys...... and I am hoping not to offend those who consider my frail and imperfect being to be far less than the Bodhisattva who is so admired to the point of being considered above human in essence. We are all "of the Divine" .... and each of us has to find that within ourselves.... as well as looking towards examples of ordinary humans who have merged into divinity, and yet returned to this samsaric plane of being in the hopes of helping others to see that blessed and blissful qualities can be cultivated in anyone's hearts and minds who learns to abide with wisdom and compassion in all things (a challenge sometimes even for a Bodhi). I have had the Greatest Teachers.... and I am both Teacher and Student even to this day. We teach one another.... I hope to learn more from ordinary people & sentient beings that I share this world with.
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            Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

            Wed, March 7, 2007 - 10:30 AM
            now thats funny Leslie
            • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

              Wed, March 7, 2007 - 4:54 PM
              What, specifically, do you find amusing or strange?
              • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

                Thu, March 8, 2007 - 9:16 AM
                but aren't the myths and legends meant to be "upaya"....want you need to hear in order to progress spritually.....so that it doesn't really matter if it's the truth or not.....it's just what you on your specific path need to hear in order to progress /.....??
                • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

                  Thu, March 8, 2007 - 9:45 AM
                  Perhaps so, and certainly this might account for the distortions and omissions.... as the whole truth, or something closer to reality, might just be confusing to people in need of guidance and a disciplined framework.
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                    Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

                    Thu, March 8, 2007 - 10:27 AM
                    but maybe for folks with more "airy" constitutions, in order to become grounded, perhaps first they need to see and believe that the stories can be a hodge-podge of whatever you want them to be, and that maybe you can put whatever new age meaning you would like to, that perhaps, the original tradition doesn't at all really matter.....and whether you're the only one in the universe who has ever believed what it is that you believe....well, maybe this is your own personal jesus christ.....i mean, buddha..... maybe that's what some of us need before we can actually learn anything based on reality.......

                    harmony & blessings
                    Silly_Love Light

                    :)
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                      Thu, March 8, 2007 - 10:44 AM
                      There is the Outer Journey, and there is the Inner Journey. Students of Buddhism need to focus on the Inner Journey, primarily. Until one establishes a firm grounding with their inner truths, they will be limited in their ability to assimilate the vastly more complex outer realities. Eventually we become more able to merge the inner and outer, but this has to occur organically.
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                        Thu, March 8, 2007 - 1:19 PM
                        My teachers whom are on my profile tell me...

                        Outwardly...practice hinayana

                        Inwardly..mahayana

                        and Secretly Vajrayana...

                        Another point of advice given was this.... When with others watch your body and speech and when alone watch your mind
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                          Thu, March 8, 2007 - 1:24 PM
                          It is said these things are important at the beginning...in the middle and at the end...
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                            Thu, March 8, 2007 - 2:20 PM
                            How fortunate it is that we have so many capable teachers of Buddhist philosophy in this world. Such sound philosophical means may lead to limitless blossomings of grace, both within the self, and beyond the self,... as harmonizations of the Inner and Outer become more possible than ever before in this most interesting of times...... that offers opportunities for awakening beyond all that has been established for us as a foundation to build upon.
                            • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

                              Fri, March 9, 2007 - 7:40 AM
                              sakyamuni said his teachings would only be helpful for 35 kalpas .....hasn't it been that long yet?
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                                Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

                                Sun, March 25, 2007 - 12:43 PM
                                The length of a kalpa is illustrated by the following simile: suppose that every hundred years a piece of silk is rubbed once on a solid rock one cubic mile in size; when the rock is worn away by this, one kalpa will still not have passed.

                                "Only"

                                What a joker.
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                                  Sun, March 25, 2007 - 2:36 PM
                                  Such ultragrandiose schemologies of time as kalpas do give a wow factor to one's awareness of the largesseness of the scheme of things.... yet a celestial bodhisattva understands that time and space as we measure it is the creation of Buddhamind, from the Celestial realms, where time and space are entirely relative to consciousness/spirit. The impossible Severity of virtually infinite time/space, which some may use as a device to impose a kind of humility on others or on self (for better or for worse), is collapsible in the twinkling of the eye of one who maintains a path of positively evolving spirit, such as (but not entirely limited to) Shakyamuni's version of Dharma. His is called "The" Dharma, and for most intents it serves as such, but it is not "The Only" Dharmic methodology... just as he is not the only one meriting the title of Buddha. Indeed, his role is as an earthly Bringer/teacher of Buddha Dharma...... and he is also a student of other Dharmic Teachers-Students.
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                          Fri, May 11, 2007 - 5:53 AM
                          "in meditattion watch you mind in life watch your mouth", is how i heard that last part but it sticks to me pretty hard
                          Hello to everyone here i just joined this tribe and scanning through the conversations has got me looking forward to an oppurtunity to learn and share here
          • K
            K
            offline 140

            I am a direct student of Arya Mata Tara, Mahasattva Leslie, and also individually trained and authorized as a vajrayana guru. It's actually very hard work ( for me ) to do even basic level lama or guru type work, so I don't teach much. Mostly I provide people texts and teacher references, and help them with whatever transmissions they have already received. And that is after over a quarter century of anuttarayogatantra and transmissions from fifty five gurus. And ten thousand hours of Sanskrit recitation.

            It is anything but easy to be a real guru. It is now becoming trivially easy to become a pseudo-guru, with everything that is now openly published. So I'd like to ask you about your dharma, Your Holiness.


            Re your unsubstantiated statement on tribe.net discussion "bodhisattvas" this March 6:
            "There are mutiple manifestations of Amitabha spread through space and time, both male and female, some simultaneously in the same time-space as the present. I am among these, and the singular I Am presence that I possess was/is of the essence of Tara and Amitabha . . "

            Direct manifestations of Amitabha are extremely rare, Your Serene Grace. Two major examples are Sakyamuni Buddha and Guru Padmasambhava, both heavy hitters! In Tibet they have the Panchen Lama incarnation lineage of Amitabha. In China four to five million people believe Grandmaster LUI Sheng Yen is a nirmanayakaya( manifestation ) of Amitabha. But even with all his amazing healing powers, vast dharma writing and so forth he is much criticized and abused. I am amazed you make such a bold personal claim without anything concrete to support it.

            It's not that I "doubt" Most Venerable Leslie that you are someone who should be able to manifest the compassionate energy and wisdom of, say, the current Dalai Lama. It's just that you have yet to demonstrate anything that would lead to such an expectation.

            Have you ever given an Amitabha empowerment? A real one? It would take me two and a half hours to give a decent Padmasambhava empowerment, and this is one of my main practices. I have fifty five major mantras for Guru Padmasambhava, including Dorje Drakpo Tsal from HH Dilgo Khyentse, who achieved the level of Padmasambhava.

            If you were a direct nirmanakaya, you could EASILY give ALL KINDS of tantric transmissions, up through Mahamudra and Atiyoga. As a claimed mahabodhisattva, that should be your full time job. So, when and where do you do all your big time stuff? I don't know that Snow Lion Publications has ever heard of you. When are you going to publish new and major Amitabha teachings or Tara teachings or Padmasambhava teachings for them?

            I have an idea. Why don't you bring forth the lost scriptures of the Mahavairocana Buddha? As an Amitabha Buddha that should present you no difficulty at all. If you can recover the lost Mahavairocana sutras, I will bring you flowers and bow at your feet. However, that does not seem likely at this point. I'm not holding my breath.

            Tara can manifest all over the place and in all times. But I think you are not familiar with the subject. If people want to hear about human manifestations of Tara, they should get teachings of Mandarava and Yeshe Tsogyel, two realized women who studied under Padmasambhava. I have fourteen full Yeshe Tsogyel authorizations, Your Holiness. I doubt you have much familiarity with Yeshe Tsogyel.

            Or Vajrakilaya. Or much of anything taught by the Amitabha manifestation renowned as Padmasambhava.

            Even being a basic level bodhisattva is really really difficult. At least it is for me.

            What do you say to this, Your Radiance?

            K T

            • Thank you for your mixed response to my post KT. As I have stated, I do not claim extraordinary personal powers, other than what may manifest from an ordinary human. I do have very extensive recall of the history of Amitabha Buddha as experienced by my own consciousness, which has returned through multiple channels of reincarnation, which I have in large part lived through parasequentially.... (gone back through time and shifted through dimensions under the guidance of my long-time companion, Avalokiteshvara and Quan Yin.)

              As I live primarily in my current temporal mind, I am limited largely in Immediate Knowledge to a facility with those experiences of this life I am currently living (apart from my profoundly extensive past-life memories and spiritual plane experiences, which I am working to integrate into my waking consciousness). I've not studied in depth all the aspects particular to BuddhaDharma that you mention, as that is not my purpose in this life. Manifestations of Ordinary Wisdom are my purpose here and now, in the interest of healing myself, humanity, and Terra in this time of great transformation that poses so much need and challenge to humanity and all creatures.

              In my life as Tara, as I've stated on this forum, I vowed not to "seek enlightenment" in a male body, because my male energies are already securely established in Buddhaconsciousness (in Sukhyavati) and it is through my ascension in Female Form that I intend to reascend once my bodhisattvawork is done. This does not mean Tara refuses to reincarnate in male form, as some have mistakenly assumed. Just that in male form, the consciousness of Amitabha (reincarnate as a Bodhisattva) will evolve Naturally, without resorting to intensive enlightenment practices to gain Demonstrable Power Above Others. It is through Wisdom Alone, and Ordinary Personal Merit & Mundane Auric Capabilities that I intent to be of help (and gain subtle skills) here in the physicality we are in.

              My Dharma is to bring a Greater Fullness of Truth and Ordinary Methods of Positive Evolvement to Humanity (and thereby to the benefit of sentient life as well). Much of what I am aware of is Obscure or misunderstood. The Dharma extends not only into Enlightenment.... it also reaches into Neutral realms of being and into Dark Matter, which is claimed by Negative Consciousness only because Positive Consciousness in general has not fully Dared to Enter and claim Dark Energies for liberation into at least a much more Positive Balance... in which negativity exists only for the purposes of Full Integrity, rather than a Polarized Madness such as what grips the lower realms in a Samsaric Manner. I am here to help Liberate the Lower Realms from Samsara...which is not a "Thing", but merely a "Condition" that is NOT INHERENT to the Lower Realms... but persists only due to lack of Wisdom and Compassion.

              I say to you that BEING is the basis of Buddhism.... Buddhism is a fancy name for Beingness. My being is one and the same with Amitabha, who originates in such lowly places as this world. I don't require anyone to take me as someone expecting any more reverence than they would pay to any other human who demonstrates integrity, compassion, and wisdom. All I ask for is a consideration that if I am truthful, and what I may have to say is Beneficial, that I not be scorned as a fool or a fraud... and that I might be heard above the roar of madness that we all suffer the effects of.
            • K, I'm curious as to why you continue your journey through the tribes in an attempt to show your own superiority. Your gunslinger tendencies carry on. While you claim to have achieved a most lofty position, all I really see you doing is attempting to hurt people as you pillage about on your venomous reign. Lets look at your most current post:

              1) "So you are an Amitabha nirmanakaya? Really ? ? ?" Basically you lay down the foundation for your strike in the title where you immediately attempt to mock Leslie.

              2) Then, as it is your MO - you immediately begin to show your superiority with your credentials...
              a. over a quarter century
              b. transmissions from fifty five gurus
              c. ten thousand hours of Sanskrit recitation

              3) "It is now becoming trivially easy to become a pseudo-guru" Here you are intimating that Leslie is a pseudo-guru

              4) "unsubstantiated statement" Here in a very subtle way you are accusing Leslie of lying.

              5) "I am amazed you make such a bold personal claim without anything concrete to support it." Again, another cleverly worded attack on Leslie's integrity.

              6) "t's not that I "doubt" Most Venerable Leslie" ... "It's just that you have yet to demonstrate anything" But it is that you doubt and continue with your character attack.

              7) "Have you ever given an Amitabha empowerment? A real one?" You seem to be implying here that Leslie isn't capable of giving a 'real' empowerment.

              8) "t's not that I "doubt" Most Venerable Leslie that you are someone who should be able to manifest the compassionate energy and wisdom" A cleverly worded attack on Leslie's capabilities.

              9) "If you were a direct nirmanakaya" another cleverly worded attack.

              10) "So, when and where do you do all your big time stuff" A clearly intended grouping to show Leslie as a fraud.

              11) "I have fifty five major mantras" Again showing off the stars on your arms.

              12) "that should be your full time job" ... "When are you going to publish?" Now you tell Leslie what he should be doing and put him down for not publishing.

              13) "However, that does not seem likely at this point. I'm not holding my breath." Again you're attempting to show your superiority.

              14) "But I think you are not familiar with the subject." Another attempt to show your superiority while stripping Leslie down.

              15) "I don't know that Snow Lion Publications has ever heard of you." Another character attack.

              Not to mention that you copied both your and Leslie's posts onto another tribe to show all those members just how the superior you are.

              As I told you previously - you give the impression of being a wounded animal - one that is inflicting pain in the throws of death. Why is it that you romp around attempting to demean people, to cause suffering while simultaneously attempting to reveal your own superiority? It is hard for me to conceive what would cause anyone to act in such a manner. I really feel compassion for you.
            • "Direct manifestations of Amitabha are extremely rare, Your Serene Grace. Two major examples are Sakyamuni Buddha and Guru Padmasambhava, both heavy hitters! In Tibet they have the Panchen Lama incarnation lineage of Amitabha. In China four to five million people believe Grandmaster LUI Sheng Yen is a nirmanayakaya( manifestation ) of Amitabha. But even with all his amazing healing powers, vast dharma writing and so forth he is much criticized and abused. I am amazed you make such a bold personal claim without anything concrete to support it."

              Sakyamuni and Padmasambhava . and the Panchen Lama (and Grandmaster LUI Sheng Yen) are students of Amitabha. Amitabha has never Openly reincarnated and given witness to the lengthy spiritual evolution from ordinary human to Celestial Buddha, and back again as a Bodhisattva (until this tentative effort) , although much has been witnessed by others and written of... the other actual incarnations I mention are not, or have not been, fully, consciously aware of their origination from Amitabha... and I say this because I lived many, many lives that I now recall, in which I struggled with Karmic issues and never fully awakened to having originated as a reflex from Amitabha in response to requests for assistance and love here in the lower realities. Reincarnation is a treacherous thing in which connections with higher self can be lost over a period of serial incarnations. It has been a very, very long journey for me to finally reawaken.

              I would have to be an idiot to say that I am a reflex (bodhisattva reincarnation) of Amitabha if it were not true. KT, Your transparent skepticism is entirely appropriate and expected as an initial reaction, although I am hopeful you have more than just a confrontational attitude to bring to bear. I don't claim to be anything of the classic "guru" because, as I've stated, that is not my purpose. Austere practices and empowerments are more the works of Siddhis than fully realized Buddhas/ Bodhisattvas. You are obviously an accomplished Siddhi, KT, and far better versed in the Buddhist religion than I. Amitabha (my higher self) ascended from the earthly realms towards Buddhahood out of a time when Buddhism was not even a religion on Terra. The practices and empowerments that have developed are there for those who aspire to the paths of Austerity and Siddhism. These are not the only ways of being & evolving towards Buddha Consciousness; certainly not the classical ways of Serene Beauty and Grace.

              I remember Padmasambhava, who was a Tibetan warrier, quite adept with the sword. When appearing to him as Tara, his heart melted, he fell in love and implored Tara to return and teach him compassion. As Tara (and long before) I was/am the student of Avalokiteshvara (Kuan Yin) ... and it is to this long-time companion that I owe so much.... none of what we accomplished could have been done without the love we shared.

              The question is, can I be of help to our situation in this world by attempting to share my personal knowledge, or is it only going to lead to a lot of spiritual power politics? Assume for a minute that I am coming from a place of sheer truth. Are the Tibetans, and especially the Chinese, going to be openminded, in the true spirit of Buddhism, or would it just be another religious bone of contention? As I've stated, I'm not here to put on a show of empowerment... only to share sublime wisdom and love, if possible .... that's all I can definitely offer.
              • K
                K
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                Amitabha Leslie says

                "Your transparent skepticism [ KT ] is entirely appropriate and expected as an initial reaction, although I am hopeful you have more than just a confrontational attitude to bring to bear. I don't claim to be anything of the classic "guru" because, as I've stated, that is not my purpose."

                Very good. We have a good resolution, and my responsibilities in this specific matter are now dropped.

                In answer to your straightforward question, I will be honest [ as always ]. Yes, I am not [ merely ] confrontational. I am a bodhisattva guru, one who can bestow the full bodhisattva vows [ on lay practitioners, anyway ]. You clearly state that you are not a guru of the bodhisattva-yana, and do not give such vows, therefore there is no need for me as guru to question your Amitabha-ish qualities, realization, motives and so forth. This is now a moot point from the perspective of mahayana professionals, therefore neither of us have any reason to argue back and forth. That is less work for me. And I have far far too much.

                Yes, of course I am highly skeptical, Leslie, and obviously the burden of proof falls on the individual who makes the claim, yours being entirely cosmic and all, as you explicitly say. Since you accept this as being entirely appropriate, we have a basic human understanding, and there is no need to respond to third party attacks, whether specious or otherwise distracting from the main point.

                My method is dialectic and diagnostic ( when yoga sadhana is not involved ). You are not engaged in the siddha type sadhana practices, and you sidestep the dialectics. I can therefore say that you and I really have nothing in common. So, no basis for argument.

                Speaking in terms of the broader discourse, others here clearly misunderstood my intention, my method, and even the baseline English that I use. For the record, I truly wish we had more western born high level yogis, bodhisattvas, dakinis, sadhus, and so forth. It is of course too much to hope for a manifest Buddha, like a manifest Amitabha, but my preference would always be that other westerners have higher realizations than whatever small ones I have received. And at least a modicum of common sense and critical thinking, which would be liberating on the basic existential level.

                The [ cough cough ] group communication here is itself quite illuminating. It says a lot about people, doesn't it? I continue to learn more about the state of sangha-ish westerners. I continue to be saddened by the state of "mahayana" communication in the West, the lack of evidence based reasoning, the non-sequiturs, the swallowing of camels and straining at gnats etc. Well, things area where they are.

                "In the final analysis, all talk is worthless. It is only the exact practice that yields a useful result."
                - North Indian yoga teacher saying

                "Nuff said!"

                KT dagger priest and inner medical tantrika

                "Catch us if you can. . .catch us if you ca-a-a-an. . ."






                • Naturally, a "show of power" is what is expected whenever anyone speaks of "Being" a manifestation of a Celestial Deity.... because, after all, Tara and Amitayus have demonstrated miraculous capabilities in their bodhisattva capacities. Is it necessary then, or even advisable to reincarnate as a very Ordinary human.... lacking magical-spiritual powers beyond what may come about naturally.... and "Awakening" to the Whole Truth of your being.... is it advisable to Speak Openly of it, when So Much Skepticism is to be expected?

                  Consider this: Buddhism exists for the sake of Sharing and Sustaining Progressive Methodologies of Being that Function in the most natural capacity of manifesting first and foremost the principles of Wisdom & Compassion in the hearts and minds of All of Us.

                  Is a "Show of Force & Power" going to "win the day" for us all? Perhaps it is the way of the world that we do have to at least demonstrate personal integrity if we expect to be taken seriously. However, if we rely too much on Power to establish grounds for attention to what is being "transmitted", it can subvert the Flowering of Gracefullness within the hearts and minds of those who lack such power.

                  Besides which "Being" is a miraculous thing in itself, and "Being In Balance" is the Essence of what so Many of Us are Failing Miserably at. We all need to learn to save ourselves from ourselves...... and I propose that I have gone much farther than most people in learning how to do this, and in manifesting this in very ordinary and practical ways, even in the face of personal challenges on par with those most people have to face in one way or another.

                  But, I don't expect to act as much more than inspiration to a fairly limited number of people to do for themselves what I have done for myself. At the same time, I am Furthering my own skills and awarenesses. Personal Growth does not necessarily have to Stop with this thing we call Enlightenment. Indeed, it may be the opening of a door to more dynamic growth than what we have ever experienced. The myriad sufferings I've gone through in order to return to an ordinary life on the physical plane (after a series of unawakened lifetimes) are justifiable only Because of this Limitless Potential which I am developing both on an inner level, and externally through my continued Karmic Interconnectedness with Kindred Spirits.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Leslie, I don't possess your depth of understanding with respect to Buddhist terminology and history. Frankly, I have no way to relate to many of the ideas and experiences you put forth or confirm their validity one way or the other, yet I file them with the hope that some day I may have a better understanding of them. Sometimes ideas require a great deal of experience, and then all of a sudden something that someone said to you years ago makes sense - or not.

                    What I do get from your posts is a type of evenmindedness, a caring for others and a sincere attempt to enable others to understand what you are saying. and a talent for fostering personal growth.
                    • Life here on this planet is like a waking dream we share with vast numbers of people who are creatures of popular culture, conventional wisdom...... which is cynical regarding many basic truths, such as reincarnation. In practically every respect our lives are compromised unnecessarily. Applying the principles of Buddhism to this insane situation we are embedded in is by far our Best hope of extracting ourselves from the limitations that have been deeply imprinted even upon our own consciousnesses. The solution(s) to our present and future-present predicaments requires looking back deeply into where we originated from, how we came to be a part of this profoundly complex spiritual experiment that has required us to go through an erasure of all our memories as a prerequisite to insure the Challenges would be at a Maximum.
                      We have to build upon whatever resources each of us is able to bring to the table. I'm an early-bloomer, you might say, but everyone potentially has spiritual resources to contribute to the collective effort to Overcome the Steep Chalenges we face together. The stakes in this pivotal time are beyond just personal .... yet the personal experience is still fundamental to everything.
                      Anyway, thanks for your encouragement, and because I've suffered more than enough defeats Already..... and because there's no place left for us to go but into Blissful-Integrity!..... (or we'll lose everything) ... I say, we play to Liberate this Mess!... even if we Are making this all up as we go.
  • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 3:19 PM
    Greetings. I am new this cyber version of our tribe. Thought I'd jump in on this recent thread. To me, Bodhisattva is the enlightened one who has put off ascension in order to teach, until all have attained enlightenment. Separation is the opposite of enlightenment. When we separate ourselves (I love that word, it kinda shows that we all belong to each other) as in men- women, american-nonamerican, white-african american, human-deity, it doen't matter, it is a step backwards on the spiritual path. It's a no-brainer that women can realize they are enlightened. All is One and One is All. Stories like these are good reminders of that. Thanks for the story, regardless of any trivial dicrepancies or varied accounts.
    Peace
    • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

      Mon, March 12, 2007 - 4:53 PM
      The polarities-imbalances between male and female energies is a longstanding problem of sorts..... Pointing it out can be used in ways that further the sense of alienation.... and also it can be indicated in ways that help bring healing and appropriate awareness. The feminine principles of Heart and sublime beauty are needed in both men and women. Denying such graces to men, by way of popular culture, and even just as a result of being born male in the view of many women..... inhibits the progress of our collective awakenings.

      Understanding that Tara said she "Would not seek Enlightenment in a male body" was not a declaration that she refused to incarnate as a male...... that is Essential to discern.... as she is such a role model for women. Tara was not Refusing to be Male as a path to reincarnation.... which would imply she had an significant Distain for Maleness......(as some women seem to.) She just saw that her own masculine energies had already fairly Fully Developed in terms of Ascension Enlightenment (which is of the essence of the masculine spiritual principle). Tara wanted to Seek Enlightenment Only in a female reincarnation for the sake of Balancing within herself, and by way of example, the Feminine Principles. By Not Actively seeking ascension enlightenment in her subsequent male reincarnations,.... (not opposing any naturally occuring awakenings.... but working within the context of "resources available, potentially, outside of the context of intensive Buddhist practices") she sought to expand her own Bodhisattvahood into the Mundane World .... to find Pathways to Reach those outside of what Buddha Dharma alone was able to achieve..... also for the sake of her own understanding of how Samsara remains Such an Obstacle for So Many.
      The strategy is working, (understanding is coming into fruition), but the obstacles are still stubbornly slow to budge.

      It's important to understand that there are Other forms of Enlightenment, more Feminine in Character, than the conventional ascension enLightenment much of the Buddha Dharma deals with. Bodhisattvahood works towards the Feminine forms of "enlightenment"... which goes more towards transforming Dark Energies from common negative uses.... into Positive Dark Energies (as of the Goddesses)... which can be as totally positive as the Light...... being mindful that even the light can be used Negatively... despite its common association with the positive. Negativity can't be fully eliminated... but it can be brought into harmonious balance (and don't foget the Neutral dynamic).

      It must be discerned that without personal understanding that the superficial Aspects of Spirit (dark & light) can go either way........... without that awareness we are vulnerable to exploitation and gross disharmonies. But, it is part of the learning process. Be aware and learn from the mistakes of yourself(s) and those of others (ourselves). Then we may progress towards realizing the harmonies that all desire within our hearts.
    • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

      Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:23 PM
      Welcome Insane..

      With every kindness,
      Tashi
      • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

        Mon, March 12, 2007 - 10:05 PM
        Reality is certainly an insane mess..

        One must learn how to deal with it effectively if one expects to be functional as an aspiring Bodhisattva.
        • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

          Mon, March 12, 2007 - 11:02 PM
          Life within the context of Samsaric conditions is incredibly intricate in its complexities. Untangling it all and making sense of it is a task similar in ways to the book-movie Catch-22. The only "way out" is to realize it has made you crazy (because everything is insane)..................... yet if you have 'realized' that you are 'insane'........ then you Can't be totally crazy! That means,.... you are "fit" to remain as a Bodhisattva.......

          The only meaningful "way out" is to Master the patterns of insanity we are immersed in........ liberate ourselves from the major Addictions that hold everyone in limitation and illusion........ and become relative beacons of serenity within the turmoil. Some will find personal liberation through ascension into higher dimensions. This is an aspirational path towards personal enlightenment..... but the real Bodhisattva work is done here in direct connection with the Insaneness of Samsara....... we first overcome samsara within.... and then we are able to work towards transforming it on the external level. The madness around us will be dispelled....
          • Re:Insane and insanity

            Mon, March 12, 2007 - 11:27 PM
            Thank you for the welcoming. Insane is the name I have on playa, at burning man. because of my views and actions, I have been called that for years. Actually, my spiritual name is Visvadas, Sanskrit for "Servant to the Universe". I joined tribe.net through connections I made at BM, hence using it on tribe. Thanks for validating my "fitness". I totally agree with what you are saying. Mastery is an ongoing process, not to be left unattended. Although the monicker may cause some who believe they are better than me to snub me, more often than not, it attracts those who could use a dose of Bohdisattva medicine. The name Visvadas and spirituality up front sometimes shuts doors to those who need it most. "Insane" opens doors where I am needed. So, I'll keep it and use it for the best that I can.
            Goodnight, may you find peace in your dreams,
            Insane
  • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

    Mon, May 7, 2007 - 12:55 PM
    I have heard that there is yet another manifestation born of the tears of Chenrezig. Called Zambala - (I'm sire the spelling is incorrect) -his pledges and aspirations are material wealth and the three higher trainings. Can you shed any light ???
    • Re: Bodhisattva Tara, Dolma

      Mon, May 7, 2007 - 10:27 PM
      Never heard of it, and the "born of the tears of Chenrizig" is a nice little popular mythologization in itself. Zambala sounds like Shambala, and the themes you've 'heard of' sound quite of earthly origin.