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In the last 6 months I have seen people (who claim spirtuality) become mean and in denial..so I am lost as to what to say to them. Can an enlightened person be blocked by an opposing force which renders them unamble to "get through" to people?
Is this a time to pause and be still? a time of reflection and to let things unfold..without interaction?
Is this a time to pause and be still? a time of reflection and to let things unfold..without interaction?
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:41 AMBy what do you mean "mean and in denial"? One of the general rules of being enlightened is that if the message is a good one, it will take form. Getting through to people is often reliant on those who are receiving the message. Many people are already in the mindset that what they know is absolute truth and there's not much that anybody can say to them otherwise. A lesson taught may not be realized until some time later. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 4:28 PMD, cute picture....there are horible things going on in the world and more horrifying to come in less than 3 years..you message did not help..but thank you..there are some that are sheeple..6 billion people on this planet..few are "AWAKENED" but you know that right?????
or else things the world would be different..right?
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 4:30 PMD. maybe miss read..your saying that people who are not enlgightened (are in a particular mind set) got it..your right..even the new agers..they bully people into their one belief..but do not alow for others and if they do they act supirior..so you cannot give them a message or awaken them right? -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Wed, July 8, 2009 - 1:34 PMNot at all...Kalo...
What I'm saying is that if a message is a good one, it will truly catch on. But trying to force a message to somebody is a fruitless mission. Why? Because most people are already programmed in a certain way. If one is preaching with hopes that the message will be accepted and acknowledged. That's futile. Sure, they may be listening but most will not acknowledge what they've learned until it actually becomes applicable.
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 12:44 PMPerhaps it is best to not fall in line with the various paranoid propaganda and ill-conceived prophecy that has arisen through so many different cultural avenues of late. No doubt something is afoot, but react as best you can in a positive and rational manner.
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Wed, July 8, 2009 - 8:14 PMPeople are people, just let them be. Remember actions speak louder then words. If words do not help, then continue with acts of kindness. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Wed, July 8, 2009 - 8:51 PMall good advice..however..some people are sheeple...and the new age is their drive through window and short cut to "Nirvana" can't tell them anything or show them anything..they have very large egos which means they are very insecure and yes with the impending earth changes some are nervous...best to stay calm and lower the empathic abilitiies I have with full screens on eh?
Thank you all..been helpful...I wish I could better articulate the opposing energy I am feeling and talking about..if the lesson is good it will catch on..no not so..not always..remeber germany and hitler..bad ideas catch on too..no people in large scared numbers will follow any god to any destiny becuase they are scared.
But if we do not think n terms of this lifetime or linear time..then I agree.
You have to understand..for me as a Native American..this is the 4th world moving to the 5th..and for most western and even eastern spiritualities..this is only the 1st world they remeber or acknowledge.
Peace and all good blessins to all.
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 10:43 AMI think the smart money is on the people who develop the sustainable technology that allows those who like to think and explore to leave the superstitious behind. As in "off-planet". Those that wish to remain tribal can stay here. Also, to breed division based on the whispers of hearsay and the resumption of the Fourth Reich is only to be yet another avid salesman for fear. I don't believe in prophecy of any kind, and I have *very good* reasons for feeling this way. Pretty much all of them are self-fulfilling prophecies. Man fails. What all of this comes down to is mankind has outpace his development by breeding too wildly. All the ecological challenges cannot be ignored, they will bite humanity on the ass. But that does not mean we will destroy ourselves. It merely means necessity will dissolve the aberrant avoidance syndrome we have been living under, blaming and hating each other instead of solving problems. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 11:56 AMBob, to each his own and to each his own path..peace..I must say that sometimes I find replies condisending..but usually from Male energy..the women have a way of "putting it" -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 11:57 AM"We do not grow absolutely, chronologically. We grow
sometimes in one dimension, and not in another;
unevenly. We grow partially. We are relative. We are
mature in one realm, childish in another. The past,
present, and future mingle and pull us backward,
forward, or fix us in the present. We are made up of
layers, cells, constellations."
--Anais Nin
Some replies as people I take as is..and know they may be in another place..at the time ;) -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 12:17 PMFrom India to the Hopi:
Dear Hopi Brothers and Sisters,
Before starting this letter we would like to salute the
revered spiritual elders of the Hopi People.
We would also like to make a special mention for Dan Evehema
of the Roadrunner and Greasewood clan , who presently is the
oldest surviving interpreter of the traditional Hopi
spiritual leaders.
We pray for his good health, as his importance far outweighs
any treasure in this world.
We, Prashant Trivedi and Arup Mitra,(both Engineers) from
New Delhi, India, are convinced that the Hopis have valuable
insight into the human condition and the evolution of human
destiny over the next few years.
We are traveling overland across Asia and Europe and hope to
reach Arizona by the Spring of 1998.
As you are aware, your tradition and philosophy is inspiring
a lot of people all over the world.
The artists (Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison and others) have
helped to spread your message all over the globe.
It is to them and will of the Creator we are thankful that
your message should reach us in India, a land far off from
your land.
The fact that man is ravaging and plundering earth's
resources and in doing so the damage he is inflicting on
Mother Earth and the Nature abounding her is known to your
people.
Your people are also aware of the fact that this mindless
exploitation and degradation of our planet cannot go on any
further if humanity has to survive.
It seems appropriate to use the words of a native Indian
Chief to convey this idea perfectly - "man did not weave the
web of life and is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does
to the web, he does to himself."
Though a number of indigenous people and tribes exist all
across the globe, we can safely say that none of them have
as deep an insight into the condition of Mother Earth and
the wisdom to deal with it as our Hopi brothers.
This wisdom and insight has come from centuries of close
association with nature.
We have not reached this conclusion about the Hopi people in
a haste.
It has been borne out of the ancient wisdom of Indian
philosophy which transcends even the starting of time band
the limits of our present universe.
The sayings of other indigenous people are also correct in
their own accord but are in no way as selfless as the Hopi
sayings.
Even the Hopi address to the UN was directed towards
warning humanity of the dangers it might face if it carries
on the way it is doing now.
The address could also have been used for putting forth the
problems faced by the Hopi people.
It is this sincerity and devotion to the cause of mother
earth and its inhabitants that stirs our hearts and minds
and attracts us to our western brothers.
An inner voice is guiding us closer and closer to your
people.
We are looking forward to meeting you in person in your own
environment.
We would like to represent the ancient culture, tradition
and philosophy of the holy land - India, rather than
represent any society or organization.
Societies and organization across the world who claim to
know the spiritual way and mean to promote peace and harmony
do so only in speech and not in action.
Most of them are not heeding the nature's warning of the
coming destruction.
This is the main reason we are not willing to bind ourselves
to any organization for 'Truth' follows no sect.
Receiving an invitation from you would not only help in
fructification of our efforts but also boost our already
strong faith in our Hopi Brothers.
The time has come for east and west to get together one more
time and "The Great Purification" is closer than we all
believe.
Hoping to hear from you. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 3:20 PMKalo... I hope that my words are not condescending to you as I truly didn't mean them to be. Yes, there are many egos in the world and a majority are sheeple.They follow whatever trend is the most popular vote. Don't believe me, how the hell did G.W. Bush get re-elected? As an artist and performer, I deal with this regularly. Even among my own kind. So much that I've even been accused of the thing in which I have opposed most of my creative life, an egotist.
Problem lies is that the ego of one (or the ego of one mass) is often scared of change. They are afraid of the possibilities that lie outside thier comfort zone. In this post-millennial society, it's ever present. Those that seek "new age" remedies to ancient problems are often cowards themselves. Those looking for a quick and easy fix for whatever truly lies in the belly of the beast. In this sense, their minds are still closed and only seeking a non-committed way out of their mess. These people will not listen to wisdom.
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 5:11 PMD^3 agree..and It boggles one's mind to find over 1000 bodhisattvas here...lol...I was told in art school..I needed more ego..after spending a year on a personal spiritual retreat to rid myself of some of it..some ego is healthy eh? but if your ego is not your amigo..your ego..stinks..lol.
I just had some 21 year old...who read some books go all condeisending on me..I laughed..young lil whipper snapper..even the young bucks will do batle with the lead stag as animals in the animal world..we are part animal..but hard to talk to young people..in my day..I respected the elders..in this day..they respect shit (sorry for my lanquage).
Corperations rule governments..and that is that..what can one do..you can't really vote for someone who has any power..they are puppets to the people who bought them the corperations..the world will (being mother earth) once again give the population and known civilazation, a time out...I am ready for it. Even if I transend over to the next plane through (death) such a silly word, death...but most spiritual people want to reach nirvana..but when you bring up death or dying..lol..they are not ready..so that is a conundrum ,a mystery to me..but is the ultimate truth when respecting spiritual people......mass ego..now that is scary isn't it? -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:26 PMMass ego is indeed scary. But it exists. Corporations feed off that to sell their wares. Religion vies for it to apply faith. Even creatives (like ourselves) sometimes find a need for that ego to stay relevant. Like you, I've dealt with kids who think they have the wisdom of a lifetime. Their motivation is not long-term relevance but to sooth the ego temporarily though some 15-minutes of fame. Yah, you made some music. You're getting booked, but will your legacy be remembered? 15-minutes of fame is short lived and in all honesty, over glorified. Been there, done that.
Look at you ancestors work, my friend. Many people try to emulate it. Others collect it and treasure it. The individuals who created the chants, the drawings, the pottery, the sage wisdom are all (for the most part) nameless. Yet, their relevance to humanity is invaluable. Think about the stories told to your generations. These are tales of unknown people originating by some nameless warrior or shaman long dead, but not forgotten. This is creativity for the sake of it. The stories contain life lessons not replaced nor quoted verbatim. Yet they are still relevant. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 16, 2009 - 12:14 PMMost people don't realize that NEW AGE books and all the things that make money are corperately controled....people have a need to "Believe" and they will buy anything. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 4:23 PMI am just rfinding the dark side of people to be prevalent these days..it is economics..perhaps..astrological..perhaps..but people have not been coming from Love in perspective lately what do you think? something in the air? -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 1:03 AMAll people are always presented with the opportunity to choose whether their path will be service to self or service to others. If they choose a path of service to self, Love them, offer another perspective when appropriate or when asked, don't be preachy, and let them continue to choose! -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 11:43 AMastrology and karma would disagree on choice...but yes we all have choice is what most believe..I personally used to believe in Free will as was taught to me..now..now..I more believe in Fate.
Fate or as in Forrest Gump..a box of chocolates and a little bit of both..you never know what you will get -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 7:28 AMI have to agree that economics has alot to do with it. For the past 20-something years we've been conditioned to accept that money is everything. That without it, life is meaningless. This, in part, by the corporate conglomerates that back out government. Now that the economic society is on the verge of collapse, many people are reverting to our most natural instincts. That is to fight and survive. Sadly, that defensive mechanism is greed. Those with even the very least of money are doing what they can to on to it. Those with alot of it are preventing those with little of it to gain more of theirs.
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Sun, August 2, 2009 - 4:00 AMdon't be attached to an outcome
try to let people be who they are and where they are,
even if neither you really know exactly who or where they are.
plants seeds, but allow them the time, space and experience to germinate
embrace patience and dissolve judgment
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Sun, August 2, 2009 - 8:26 AMI understand what you mean (the original question). I see people who talk the talk but do not walk the walk. They do not practice kindness or mindfulness yet they expect others to. The complaining and negativity is sometimes toxic. I understand that seeing the negative is sometimes the easier path for some. That to find the good and beauty is sometimes a challenge. But the reward is that life becomes sweeter with a positive outlook. Yet to attempt to communicate this to the complainers seems sometimes futile.
Thank you for the reminders:
don't be attached to an outcome
let people be who they are and where they are
This has been a valuable lesson for me in the past. You can't rush a tree to grow. -
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Re: Question..when they who do not want to change..upset the teaching
Sun, August 2, 2009 - 5:55 PMGreat advice, Laura!!!
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